How?
I’m genuinely glad that I’m not a poet. I write a lot here, and I do it for reasons that would make me a genuinely miserable poet. I like a lot of people reading my stuff. For me, the money I make here is a welcome supplement, but it’s all about seeing my name up in the pretty lights. I like being on the hot content list, and watching the views grow exponentially. I realize these are shallow attributes, but I’m OK with that. It’s a hobby.
But not writing doesn’t mean that I haven’t experimented some. I put together a couple of poetry anthologies a while back that were marginally successful (but enjoyable), and just recently decided to help a Triond buddy of mine promote some of his work.
It should be noted that when it comes to promoting my work, I’m as good as nearly anyone on the site. I’ve had a number of articles collect into six digits in views, and get thousands of views a day on my page. So when I offered to help my friend (Bullwinkle Muse… an absolutely brilliant poet) I figured I would do fairly well by him. I collected 5 of his best pieces, and published them as a small collection. And threw my entire arsenal at it. Every gun I had, I used. All told, nearly 10 hours of actual time. The end result? 400 views. By way of comparison, I have an Oprah bashing piece that I’ve done only rudimentary promoting on that is already well into the thousands.
I knew the problem wasn’t with the promoting; as I said, I used every avenue at my disposal. That’s when it occurred to me… conventional promotion doesn’t work on poetry, because poetry just isn’t conventional. You can’t approach it as such.
So I decided to hit it from a pure marketing point of view. The goal is the same; get people to read the poems. Several problems there; the laws of supply and demand are in full effect here. The supply far outweighs the demand. The internet is choked with the product, and to be blunt, most of it sucks. Everyone in the world seems to think they’re a poet. I think it’s a safe assumption to say that most Triond writers don’t have the time it takes to go out and dig for good poems to read.
So how do we solve this? For the most part, it seems that the method of choice is reciprocated comments and views. I have noticed that a good percentage of her comments are generic, and based on their content, the posters don’t appear to have done anything more that skim it at best. ‘nice poem’ is hardly constructive feedback. But if that’s the only way to garner views… it’s a bit of a catch 22.
And as I discovered, spreading your work doesn’t work all that well, either. There are some spots where you can post links to your poems, which I will list at the end. But they don’t, in all honesty, do much.
What I’ve come to realize is that, contrary to conventional article marketing, the key for poetry is networking here on Triond. The answer, while this will no doubt scare a number of you, is (at least in part) the Triond forum. I know, I know. Everyone thinks the place is swarming with trolls and degenerates. Not much discussion of actual writing takes place there. There are a large number of people who drop in, see something offensive, and leave. But what they don’t realize is that it’s a young forum, and still evolving. There are trolls, but they are, if dealt with properly, only a minor annoyance.
If the forum is to be a writers’ forum, them the writers need to take it over. Through my digging, I have found over a thousand Trionders who deal mostly in poetry. There are only a couple of dozen forum regulars, and most of them are writers who come to blow off steam. And most are perfectly able and willing to co-exist. The forum belongs to us all; we just need to use it.
The bottom line is that there are some stark realities here. Spreading your work is amazingly time consuming, and mostly ineffective. The secret here is that if you can’t get the work to consumers, you have to bring them here. In order to do that, there has to be something to attract them. Poetry pays nil here, so the only product to really offer is the viability as a poetry site. A good forum will do that. Writers are like moths; drawn to the light. But to build that, we all have to pitch in.
Just food for thought.
Poetry forums:
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 am
Thank you so much for the tips. Enlightening and informative.
November 22nd, 2009 at 2:54 am
Nice poem. Just kidding!! Really, this is a good article that can help the poets out there. You offer some good tips about networking for the people who do the poetry thing on Triond. You would know, since you’re wife does this very thing!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 am
good points here..
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
A great article thanks for this!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 am
This is a very informative and helpful article. Thanks for sharing it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:14 am
Great job, mnof.
November 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Well written article. I am guilty of the generic comments at times. The goal is to grow so, I can see where providing more in depth feedback would help someone more than just striking the ego.
November 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Interesting – thanks for sharing.
Blessings.
Sincerely,
-Liane Schmidt.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
thanks for sharing useful tips…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 am
I found this to be very informative and helpful. I write, sometimes poetry, some times prose, but promoting my work seems to require someone who really knows what they are doing. I have a small fan base and I would like it to grow, but my knack for writing doesn’t translate into readership, while I get maybe ten readers, if I am lucky, I seemed find writers, here, that do thousands and it is an absolute mystery to me how. But what I have just read, gives me an inkling of an idea what to do next. Thanks.
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Hmm…don’t really care about the money…I just want my word heard! If that then for no other reason I shall promote it! Thanks for the read!
November 25th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Great article Mo! Thanks you so much for sharing!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Nice article Mo. Sensible advice for all poets. I will ask my poet friends to read this and will keep this in mind too.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:21 am
TBH…I only skimmed through this article Mo.
I got the basic gist though. The little bit of poetry I’ve posted has generated for me a lot of satisfaction. Not much for money, but that is not what it is for.
As far as commenting goes…I try very hard to expand beyond “Nice poem”. But I don’t always have much else to say.
If I comment, “I liked this”. I hope the authors will accept that it is sincere.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Thanks for taking up the cause Mn. Since your wife is a poet, it was either promote poetry or cook for yourself for the next month.haha Thanks for promo Mo. Well done friend.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Thanks Mn,
for the mention of mypoetryforum.Before triond I was an addicted member of that site,all the bulk of my work is submitted there.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
…thanks too, Mnof, for a splendid article in the first place which contains much ‘Triond wisdom’. I like to write poetry occasionally, usually when moved or inspired, but tend to post on writing sites for review/critique rather than for mass viewing or monetary gain.
December 24th, 2009 at 4:07 am
thnaks for the effort of promoting poetry!
March 11th, 2010 at 10:16 am
pick me…pick me!!
http://www.triond.com/users/withishelp
thank you~
March 17th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Thank you so much! as someone just starting out this article has opened my eyes quite a bit to what I might be doing wrong.